“The Religion of Peace?” reacts to the Popes visit to Turkey


I came across an interesting post the other day about the Pope’s visit to Turkey. Planck’s Constant wrote a post, “Turkish Protests of Pope Visit”. He brings up some very interesting points about the Turkish reaction over the Pope’s visit.

“The Pope, who angered many Muslims in September with a speech they took as an insult, will begin his first official visit to a Muslim country tomorrow. Many Muslims believe that Pope Benedict was chosen precisely because he is against Islam and because the Cardinals were concerned Islam is spreading too fast in Europe.”

There has been a major influx of Muslims throughout Europe. Unlike immigrants from other ethnic and religious backgrounds, the Muslim immigrants tend to remain separated from their new community. Actually they are forbidden to go outside their Islamic teachings under penalty of death!

When nationalities immigrate, they tend to live in pockets and retain their former customs in their new “homeland.” Their children will often live two lives in the sense that during the day, they live in their new culture. When they go home, they live the “old ways” of their family’s homeland. This will often cause problems between the parents and children.

But, as the children get older, they tend to bridge the cultural gap between their parents and themselves. This is especially true when the parents come from an impoverished background and they see their kids graduate from high school and go to college. The parents begin to see opportunities develop for their kids that weren’t there before!

I am speaking from an American perspective. Of course the second generation can also suffer a great deal from identity crisis, especially if their parents and other older relatives are especially close and feel threatened by the cultural changes of their children. This isn’t a bad thing. It can even be healthy to an extent because it helps prevent the second generation from losing all of their heritage. However, there are always exceptions. There are also major adjustments all around.

Usually the third generation has an all around easier time of it. They have been taught many of the cultural ways of their grandparents. The cultural “gifts” of their grandparents are added into our American culture along with those cultural ways already here. America has always been a blend of the many cultures that came here with a deep respect for the heritage left behind.

I realize that this process sounds very sanitized and smooth. That isn’t always the case. There have been instances of resistance to change, resistance to accepting new people and cultures, religious issues, and other problems. There have at times even been episodes of violence and discrimination. But these problems are worked out.

The way our Constitution is written to protect Americans also allows our new immigrants to make their way into the American “culture.” For many who come here, basic human rights have previously been denied. Others experienced religious persecution, poverty, and countless other hardships. I think what helps bind the different cultures together is the ability to have choices.

Then there is the acceptance of a God given right of all people to have certain basic rights. So though there are so many differences, there are also many similarities. The need for a certain quality of life, the opportunity to be able to pursue that life, and the shared struggle have a binding effect that helps bridge the differences into a sense of oneness that is often not found in other countries.

Right now in Europe, many nations are studying the American culture. They are trying to determine what makes it work. They are trying to find a way to implement some of what works in America throughout many nations in Europe. What brought about this scrutiny is in large part, but not exclusively, the Muslim immigrants that have flowed into so many European nations.

The second generation Muslims, especially the college educated Muslims, are not “blending” or “bridging” the cultural gap. If anything they are moving even further away from the process. Muslims who in any way appear to accept the culture of the country in which they now live are persecuted or even killed by fellow Muslims. Those Muslims who are not fundamentalists seem to me to be pulled into that movement by the cultural and religious lack of basic human rights that exist in the Muslim faith.

The fundamentalists exercise absolute control. But the real control is exercised by the Imans in the Mosques in the countries where these immigrants are now living. They are teaching fundamentalist Islam. They are teaching the tenants of conquest that Muhammad taught. When these Muslims move into a country, they proliferate that action with Muslims until the entire nation is Muslim. Unlike the Fundamentalist movements of the past of conquest by the sword these Muslims have adapted their methods only insofar as to use a nation’s legal system to their advantage.

Of course this is being done in developed nations like Btitain, France, Germany, Holand, and the United States. In the non developed nations they use the needs of the poor to draw the people in.

Once entrenched, they make their move. It isn’t an overnight process. Any followers who “lose their way” in the process are either forced back into the fold or killed. That keeps their own in line. Then they use the laws of their intended conquest against that nation. They have adapted and use human rights and discrimination laws to their advantage. Free speech and freedom of religion ironically have become weapons of choice. They cleverly use these rights and the local courts system.

When cartoons poking fun at their religion appeared in a paper in Holland, they then used that to inflame the other Muslims. They then incite riots and in some cases even kill the people they consider to have insulted their faith, Allah,or Muhammad which brings me to my point of contention.

In the post at Planck’s Constant he has two pictrures of the Turkish Muslims rioting in the streets. One of those pictures shows a young woman holding a sign that says:

“Jesus is not son of God.

He is a Prophet of Islam.”

I personally find this offensive. It is a direct affront to every Christian teaching and value. To me it is the equivalant of my making the comment that the Muslim Prophet Muhammad is not a Prophet at all. They are saying Jesus is not the son of God. Were my Christian teachings as violent and as unforgiving as their teachings by Muhammad, Christians all over the world would be rioting in the streets and killing Muslims indiscriminately.

While the cartoons in Holland were in poor tastse, they did not make a direct attack on the basic tennents of Islam. While similiar cartoons would have been found offensive to many Christians, we would have fought our battle against the offense with a letter to the editor. Or it would have been treated as an expression of free speech. In America, if we rioted in the streets or went on “jihads” against every individual who made a cartoon or joke about Jesus, the staff of South Park or Family guys would have been burned at the stake.

These Muslims feel their Prophet or faith is being insulted. They feel they have a duty to riot, kill, or anything else over such an offense. It is too bad they do not offer the same respect for others that they demand for themselves. Anger was my first reaction to the sign that woman was holding.

But, much as I find their sign offensive, I also know better than to allow myself to become that which I find repulsive. As far af I am concerned, their actions show they have little respect for others; but, feel inclined to demand respect from others. Well, they can forget it. Respect is earned. That sign is a blatant example of Muslims’ contempt and disrespect for the rights of others!! As long as they show a total lack of respect for others, these Muslim Fundamentalists can expect little respect in return!!

They may call us infidels. But the word that most comes to mind when I consider them besides murderers is hypocrites. Case in point:

“The Religion of Peace?”

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~ by devildog6771 on December 9, 2006.

3 Responses to ““The Religion of Peace?” reacts to the Popes visit to Turkey”

  1. […] comment by a Muslim reader – My response Back on December 9, 2006, I wrote a post titled, “The Religion of Peace?” reacts to the Popes visit to Turkey. I had just read a post at Planck’s Constant, “Turkish Protests of Pope Visit”. […]

  2. Shanaz, I take no offense at your post. Perhaps I did a poor job of getting across my point. The Muslim Fundamentalists are the Muslims I was referring to in my post. Neither of us can deny that they are openly in a state of jihad and that their goal is to convert the entire world to radical Islam.

    Though there may be other cultural short comings that are causing this rise of extremism, little can be done to work on those issues when these Muslims not only kill non-Muslims, but other Muslims, too, case in point Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Presently in Iraq, more and more Iraqi are getting sick and tired of these extremists killing ordinary Muslims. No culture, be it Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or some other faith can survive if it fails to develop educationally, culturally, economically, and technologically. Disease, poverty, hopelessness eventually begin to destroy that culture.

  3. Dear writer I was extremely saddened by your lack of faith within the Muslim community. Without any biased opinion may I say that the Muslims in this instance are reacting through emotion as are you (which is something that Islam tries not to encourage). I can understand you took offense to the sign this lady displayed, however i cannot apologize for someone else’s actions nor is it fair for you to judge and section off all Muslims as ‘these Muslims’. The reason that the Muslim communities usually stay together is because they understand each other and it is easier especially for the older generation to feel comfortable and make friends. However when you referred to Muslims being forbidden to go outside the Islamic teachings I was confused by this. Did you mean Islam forbids Muslims to break away from their duties as Muslims or that that they are not to interact with people from a non Muslim society? It made no sense to me as our final prophet Muhammed(PBUH)was continuously interacting, forgiving and respectful to each and every non Muslim regardless of all the hardship he faced. Muslims do ask for respect i really don’t agree that they demand it, as unlike most other religions the people of Islam work very hard to stay focused and obedient to God yes they may make mistakes however the majority of Muslims are just trying to carry on with their lives with the fear that they may not be fulfilling Gods wishes and demands, if Muslims were to become ‘layed back’ and allow cartoons such as south park to make fun of the prophet(s) then our lives in this world would be easy however what would happen to us in the next? If Christians truly believe in Jesus and the last day then they really shouldn’t tolerate this behaviour either it doesn’t reflect well and show much self respect. It is always hard to keep a religion strong all the prophets suffered and faced hardship as do the Muslims of today. The Muslims, Christians, Jews etc of today should not have to forget or adjust their teachings and become more westernized to get along. At the end of the day we are all part of the same race and that is the human race.

    Do take care and please try not to judge us all in the future. Also let me assure you that this was not an effort to cause offense so if any was caused i do apologize in advance.

    P.S. I hope this response has left you feeling a little less repulsed by Muslims

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